The Benefits of Kettlebell: Global Kettlebell Coach

Welcome back to Cell to Systems. We have a special guest today, a great friend of mine, uh, who has incredible knowledge, trains people all over the world in kettlebell training. You know, as a traditional gym guy, I have to admit, for the longest time, I looked at those and I was like, h, I don't think so. But slowly but surely, Jodi has been able to get me to do a little bit of this and a little bit of that. And I have to admit, some of these exercises are so powerful, I'm starting to become more and more of a believer. As a matter of fact, our next core workout next week has been designed by Jodi. Um, and we're going to be doing kettlebells for that. We're going to see if we can actually survive this, because a lot of these exercises are like, holy smokes. Jodi, uh, you know, maybe you want to give a little bit of background on who you are and how you came to where you, uh, are today.

Awesome. Thanks. First of all, thanks for having me, Jock. It's always a pleasure chatting with you. My kettlebell, uh, journey started with, uh, certifications. So I was certifying trainers across the country for many, many years before I opened up to, um, training clients myself, opening up a studio in the middle of the pandemic for extra fun. And yeah, then, you know, the evolution of the online space took over, and that's kind of the playground I picked to play in. But that's the journey of — I always say, you know, I train the trainers, and it's been really good for me, because I've been — I've been teacher probably most of my life since I was, like, younger. You teach — taught swimming, taught dance, opened up some dance studios, and just — it always, you know, the teaching role, um, followed me wherever I went. So I did that with kettlebell, and here I am today.

Yeah. I think back on, like, you know, high school and, uh, if you had been my freshman year, uh, something teacher, I think I would have gotten way better grades. Um, all kidding aside, so when we talk about kettlebell, it's, um, it's been a transformation for you, because you were a traditional strength trainer and you were in the gym. You came to this conclusion that kettlebell was more than just exercise, which I think is really interesting and something worth diving into, because you've taken it and moved it into something that I, you know, when I look around, I don't see anybody else doing what you're doing. You — you're sort of off in your own space, and, you know, I think that's why you have such a huge following of people.

Yeah. I — you know, I loved — I loved conventional training. I was — I was my — I was the four-day gal you'd see working out hour and a half to two hours at a time. And you know, I — I came to a moment, I think, in my life where I was saying my nervous system shut down, and this was like, "No, you got to — you got to slow down, pay attention." And that's when I found the kettlebell. And it was, um — I, I fell in love with it because it grounded me. It — I, when I — because, you know, when you go to the gym, you get that stress workout, right? Like when you've had a busy day, you just go dump it. You train. And when I — I didn't want to lift in the conventional space anymore, and I was kind of thinking, this isn't a good path to be on, 'cause how do you — how, how do you, you know, maintain your strength, for one? And yeah, the kettlebell — it was — I'm pretty confident to say to you here today that because it demands presence, and I think in that point in time that was something that I was kind of everywhere with everything, and it really grounded me to bring me back into strength training.

You know, knowing you like I do, I actually know the kind of the ins and outs of your program. And one of the things I think that's really cool about it is that you don't even need a kettlebell to start. Um, I think it's a perfect entry point for people who have, you know — I just talked to somebody, a friend of mine, who said, "I'm just going back into the gym after eight months off, uh, working with a personal trainer just to get back into the swing of things." 'Cause I was like, "Awesome. That's great." Uh, whatever reason you took the 8 months off, not going to get into that, because you're in it now and you're doing it, and that's what's most important. So, why look backwards? Just a — moving forward.

But the notion that you could just, you know, start with just body weight, not even have a kettlebell. I think your program is, you know, about $39 a month.

So, for the membership to go in, it's $39.99 for the month. So, yeah.

Okay. So, you know, show me a gym membership where you can get that much, you know, instruction. You get a gym membership, but I see people in the gym every day making incredible mistakes. They're not even doing the exercise even remotely close to the right way. Um, you know, that's not even — you know, show me a gym membership you can get where it's really any quality, uh, for that price, and with all of that instruction in it, built into it, which I think is phenomenal and a totally different way of doing things. There's some great apps out there for traditional strength training. Um, but what I like about your stuff is that you can start off with, you know, just body weight, and then if you were to budget it in and buy a kettlebell per month over time, you could wind up with a really great set of kettlebells at home and do all of your training from the privacy and comfort of your own home, which is, you know, I think in this day and age, you know, as a father of a daughter and a, you know, as a husband, I would say that you got to be thinking about, hey, what is there — there, there are some safety issues around gyms. We've seen some things. We don't really need to get into that and spend a lot of time there, but I think it's something worth talking about, in the sense that you're not exposed to germs. Uh, gyms are dirty places, is a fact. You — you're wiping down equipment because — for a reason. The ability to train from the privacy and comfort of your own home is a significant advantage. Let's talk a little bit about that.

You hit a really, um, big point that I don't think a lot of people actually even talk about in the fitness industry, and, and not so much even the point of, like, if you're safe, but the fact that you feel safe. We all learn our best when we feel safe. So the idea around the programming is a — yes, you're in home, you're — that's where you go when you want to be safe, right? You're — so that is all taken away, that feeling of not feeling safe. And then you get the foundations of form, you know. With the membership, I — you'll get a message from me in the app that says right away, you're like, okay, send me in your, like, your swing review. So you actually get — I will video and watch your — uh, check your form. So it's — it's a personal touch, because I'm a big believer in form. You need to have proper form. I do have the 12-week program that goes four weeks of body weight and then into the kettlebell program. So, um, in the app there's a beginner essential four-week that, you know — there's an onboarding question for you to ask, you know, you tell me your experience, and then I send you that first week. So there's no thinking. It's just hit start and connect with me right away. And when you're ready, you — you know, you send in your, your form. So you — you know you're doing it right. And then when you know you're doing it well, right, then you'll — you'll work and push a little bit harder.

Yeah. What I find amazing about that is, uh, I know how hard you work. You may be the hardest working — I mean, I thought I was the hardest working person in the world. To be able to do that for that many people, uh, is just a — nonstop. You are always moving. Um, literally. Um, so I think that's super cool. And you know, if I — I don't know if people can tell on the camera, but if you've ever met Jodi in person, uh, you go, "That's the fittest person I've ever seen."

One of the things I love about some of the stuff that you're doing too is is the transverse plane kind of stuff, the, the rotational aspects of it. You know, traditional strength training is great, but a lot of it lacks a lot of that movement. So, you know, doing lunges with twists and things of that nature. Super important, that mobility, as we age is going to become more and more important. And yeah, we need to maintain muscle and we want to keep doing that stuff, and, you know, again, sort of breaking old habits. Um, but I think that's important for people to understand, like, you are incredibly flexible.

Oh, I work at it. I definitely have to work at it. But it's the — I always call it the beauty of the ballet. Like, I do a series, I call it the beauty of the ballet, is that you train like you would — like, for a conventional trainer to wrap their head around it, that's kind of your swing stance, your two feet a little wider than shoulder-width apart. You learn your foundations there. And then as you get to progress with that, that's when you go into that transverse plane and you start to move with the bell. And it's a completely different experience of, like, doing a motion stabilized and feet grounded, versus now you're swinging a bell, you're cleaning a bell, you're moving into another position with a bell. And it honestly, it is one of the most fascinating — like, when I have my, my private clients, I have one in Dubai, and when I watch her, and she's like — in the past two years, she can, like — we'll be done the session, and she's like, "Oh my god, every session it's just — there's — I have this progress of movement." And it's, like, not only movement now, 'cause she's leveled up to where, you know, she's now doing snatches with her 12 kg with a lu— like a reverse lunge. So, um, again, like you said, functional — like, we don't walk around stiff. We twist, we move, we bend, and it's a great way to train to complement life.

The goal is to be 80 years old or older and still have that ability to be functional and do the things that we want to do and be active. Um, that brings us to another part of it, which is nutrition. Um, and I think, you know, you're a person who's big on nutrition and making sure that you do things the right way. Um, and hydration. So where I stand on that, I'm like, hey, it's all about hydration and nutrition and, you know, programming. Uh, so give your take on how you look at hydration and nutrition as part of training.

Yeah, that's a great question. So, hydration — when, um — so I do something, I do a flag check-in with all my beginning my workouts. And because I — I talk about capacity and starting to understand the capacity of what you're training, how you're training, and the questions I ask always are: did you fuel your body properly? Did you hydrate properly? Um, are you sleeping? What was last night's sleep like? Where's your stress level today? And ironically, the last one's, how does your body feel today? The reason I go through that checklist is because many of us show up for a workout and we were like, "Oh, I don't like workouts. That just sucked." That's the more normal word that I hear when people say. But then when you start connecting the dots of, "Oh, I actually didn't eat good today. I didn't hydrate except for coffee," and the sleep thing, and it's just starting to go, maybe it's not the workout, right? Maybe it's the other parts, you know. And just starting to connect right there, because you need to fuel your body properly.

When — usually when you start training with me, I usually say, "This week when we start — when you start on the app, I just want you to move. Just move." Because you just have to show up, because you got to teach yourself, I'm going to show up today. And then we check in and say, "Now, let's talk about food. What are you putting in your body?" Because it's kind of a snowball effect. You — you'll know, like — you know when you train and you — you put in the work. When you put in the work, are you really going to eat bad? Because you're like — first of all, you know when you per— you're going to perform better when you train if you fuel properly and hydrate. So, I think it's just getting people to actually really understand, before even diving into, you know, the one gram of protein per ideal body weight, right? Like, if I can't even get a client to understand that — are they even eating well? I'm probably not even going to get into the protein yet with them.

Yeah. It's so funny. I think the road narrows. So, you know, I've gotten to the place now personally where I — I mean, I I have a really difficult time eating out. I just don't do it. Um, and I used to love to — used to love to do that, but the, you know, when you get down to a place where you're really sensitive to how your body responds to — it's like, woof, man, you know, if I don't know what's in that food, I'm going to be hesitant to eat it, because it's — I'm going to have a reaction and I don't want to feel that way. And the same thing holds true to a lot of other things, right? Just — you just don't do those things because it doesn't — doesn't make sense.

One of the things I think that's really interesting about you is you're not a tracker. You're not a watch tracker. You're not an Oura Ring tracker. You are a, how do I feel? You are an in-tuned tracker, which few people can actually do. I remember the first time I talked to you about that and you're like, yeah, I don't really do that. Um, talk more about that if you would.

Okay. I love that. As I — actually, I do have a band that I got, someone sent me to try, and it's been interesting, to say the least, about it. I used to wear a Fitbit and run to the point where I was just running to, like, track. And I — I remember, I remember the day I threw it on the bed and I'm like, I'm so — I was just, I miss running. And I think when I disconnected from conventional training and I started training barefoot and grounding myself, I really understood that — don't get me wrong, data is great. And I think, you know, there is a place for wearables, because I do believe there is. I also think that there is a huge disconnect where we're so disconnected with our bodies and tracking. I've had people say — I've asked friends and I'm like, "Did you sleep last night?" And they're like, "Well, just wait." And then they sent me a screenshot of their sleep pattern. And I was like — I'm like, "That's great, but how do you feel?" Right? Like, because we become so systemized to tracking. And again, it's data. It's important.

I've just found that moment for me, like, grounding. Like, I tell you, the first time I picked up the bell and I found my feet grounded in — on the mat, it's — it was like — I say it all the — I use the word coming — coming back home to yourself, where you're out here all the time and everything's stressful, life, business, you know, relationships, and then you feel so disconnected from your individual person that you are. And I think that's probably one of the things that draws me to train and teach about the bell, is it's the rhythm. It's — it's my — it's actually my version of yoga, where I don't have to sit and be calm, but I can find the rhythm of it and play off that piece with it. Because, you know, getting strong but being centered and grounding, because kettlebell demands presence. You have to pay attention. You — you can't not pay attention.

You don't want to be moving one of those around and not paying attention, because that could be — wind up in a bad, bad situation. There's another — another thing where I think it's like, you know, me, I am a big believer in seek professional guidance in everything that you do. And oftentimes there's a lot of bad information out there. I mean, I — man, it's like, wow, really? You're really going to tell people that stuff? That's just not right. That's not good. Yeah. So, I think it's super important that people understand, like, hey, just picking up a kettlebell, you can really injure yourself if you don't know how to actually snatch it, clean it, you know, and really move it the right way, or all those types of things. Uh, that can happen. You don't want to drop one. Uh, that could be terrible.

So, when somebody's starting to integrate kettlebells — I guess I could talk about my own experience when we started to do it. I was kind of blown away by, like, some of, like — I remember you put together that sort of, like, hybrid, okay, hey, you want to add some stuff into your leg workout? Okay, check this out. And I was like, okay, this — I was just surprised at how much it hit, like how much — how differently it hit, uh, than a lot of the traditional stuff that we were doing. And I thought we were hitting everything before, but realized that we weren't. Uh, which — I'm really excited about this core workout for next week, because I'm — I — and I am in the middle of a huge data tracking evolution.

Right. Right. I love it. It's good.

I am — I'm tracking every single — every, every bit of sleep, every bit of — every gram of food, every bit of training, every rep, every weight, everything, every bit of hydration. Everything is being tracked for a reason. There comes a point in time where if you're living for that — and I remember when I first got my Apple Watch, I don't know how many years ago that was, uh, I was like, you know, on a, you know, just try — okay, I'm — I'm make these numbers and try to beat, and we're in these competitions with people and trying to, you know, beat them. And it's like they're like — they're like, "Dude, how are you doing this? It's like, how are you — how are you hitting, you know, you're burning 22 — 20, uh, 2500 calories?" And I was like, you know, that's not sustainable. You know, you're going to burn yourself out trying to do that kind of stuff. Uh, but it all comes back down to, you know, the realities. There's a time and place and everything for everything. And I think once you kind of clue into, um, what works, then you don't have to take a look at it. You can start to eyeball stuff and go, "Okay, that's — that's a cup of rice. That's the right amount of protein." Um, and for where you are and what your goals are.

Um, you know, I'm — I've been in a recomp where I'm really trying to cut so far down. Uh, some people may say that it's not even healthy for somebody like me to be doing what I'm doing. But you know what? I am stubborn. I'm going to do what I want to do.

So, we all have individual goals, right? Like, I mean, that's your goals. So, yeah.

I — I mean, the downside of this cut is that when you're in such a steep caloric deficit, what I would call a severe caloric deficit, it wreaks havoc on, you know, a lot of, uh, systems. So, you know, mood and, um, the way that you think about things, uh, can be affected, uh, certainly. You know, when you're trying to preserve muscle mass, you're always teetering on the, you know, the line of, can I actually preserve that? And so far it's been — been able to do it when I'm coming out of that severe cut. But, all right, so enough about me. This — this is about you.

I have a question for you though. Do you mind?

Go.

Okay. So, because you're doing the data collection, have you also done the data of journaling, that the moods, the — like, to correlate, you know, what the drops in your deficit, what the — how you feel?

And it's funny, because we're shooting video every day. Um, so that's — you could see it. You can actually see it in, um, you know, sort of like the bloopers, right? Like, oh, um, I thought it was actually day nine, it's actually day 13, or we said day 17 twice or day 16 twice. Yeah. So, definitely keeping track of that. And this is, again, n of 1, just me. Don't recommend this for people that haven't done it before. That could be a really bad idea. Uh, I don't even know that it's a great idea for me. Um, this probably will be the last time I ever do this. Uh, so I'm going to get down to a certain, uh, certain place, and then I'm going to try to maintain from there, and that's going to be it. Uh, because I just don't feel like the traditional way of doing things. Um, who needs to do that anymore? Like, those days are over, right? And I'm not a bodybuilder, right? I'm not a competitive bodybuilder. I'm not trying to live a life like that. I'm training for capability, right? I want to — I want to be capable. That's what I train for.

So, yeah, journaling, I think, keeping track of how you feel. Running multiple businesses, having a couple podcasts, writing a book, writing columns, writing articles — it, you know, I'm busy. You know, when you're going like that, it takes its toll. And so, you can see it show up in your training. So, I think that the reality is, and training is so important to me, it's like, oh my gosh, man, I couldn't — I couldn't live my life without it. If I — if I, you know, it's almost like a thirst signal. I'm sure you can relate to this, because not only are you training people and doing a lot of the work with them, but then I — then you go and you train yourself, which is, uh — and the other thing too, here's something — here's something people may or may not know about you. For how many years have you been doing 100 push-ups a day?

Since 2020.

So, six — s— six years.

Over six years.

Six years. 100 push-ups a day. Now, you also do — I — I see this all the time. You're doing, uh, pull-ups, and then you'll just randomly be walking down the street, see some sort of scaffolding, and jump up on it and do a bunch of pull-ups.

I know. I'm the weirdest person to go out on an outdoor adventure with, 'cause they're like, "Jodi, why are you on the ground?"

So, we've covered quite a bit of information about, uh, kettlebells, why they're so powerful. Um, the one thing that we haven't really talked about is that you — with kettlebells, you literally — for everything that you could do in the gym, for every machine that you could use in the gym, there is a kettlebell exercise that could — could replace that. Is that an accurate statement?

That's what I would say. I'm sure there's someone out there that would disagree and they'll come up with something, but it is pretty, um — like, when I go back — when I went back to conventional one summer for a little bit, I was like, "Oh yeah, this is why I do kettlebells, 'cause I can do that same thing without playing with plates and moving stuff around." So, I love it, 'cause it's so effective and efficient.

I — I mean, I guess if you were to look at, like, the cable side of things. And I use a lot of cables in my workouts now with Zack, simply because, you know, time under tension with a cable is so powerful, um, that I just have become more and more of a fan of that over time, less of a barbell. And still, I — you know, it's funny, we were just training, and it's always about range of motion, and, you know, there are certain, like, things like, oh, you go to do a traditional bench press and you — uh, yeah, you get to a spot where you just can't get the range of motion that you can get with dumbbells. And then we found ourselves back at, ah, yeah, but you know what, the dumbbell is just so much better than a barbell. Um, and so it's — it's just interesting, training.

So let's talk about cardio. Um, I mean, in your workouts it's strength and cardio all kind of blended into one. Do you — do — are you doing any additional cardio, uh, other than walking?

I'm taking the stairs. I live on the 26th floor, and I've added that into my life just because I think it's good, and because — again, we've had the conversation of, like, if you are — I always say somebody says, "I'm training three times a week. I don't see a difference." And then my question to you is always, well, what are you doing those other four days? "Well, I'm sitting on the couch," or "I'm sitting at my desk at work."

Yeah. I mean, that's why the — you know, um, standing desk all the way for me now. I just — I don't sit that much, um, because — not good. Um, I don't even sit — I try not to sit in the sauna, um, which — yeah, that's something new where I'm just like, yeah, I think it's better to stand, you know, let your body have the full circulation rather than having — it's probably not that big of a deal. But all right, 26 flights of stairs. That's pretty good. And you do that, uh, at least once a day.

Yeah. Like, when I go out, I try to, like — I don't have to be up. Well, see, so because I'm wearing the wearable, this is — this is what happens to someone with my personality, is I — I time myself now. So, so now I'm like, oh, I can do this in six minutes. So, I'm like, should I actually go back down and do another six minute? And then I was like, no, I've just done this to add this into my day as, like, a lifestyle. Doesn't have to be a competition. But yeah, so just — I do that.

And the nice thing too I'd like to talk about with kettlebell is I — I do love to run. I didn't run as much this summer, but I can train all winter long and normally go out for a 5k run without running all winter and not being hit, because that's — you're hitting your cardio. And I have a — one of my clients in Dubai, she used to do a lot of marathon running, desert running, and she's like, "Oh, I love the bell because it gives me the runner high when you get it." But yeah, so that's — that's my cardio thing. It's, um — I think it surprises people how much cardio actually is involved as a cat.

Yeah, I think if anybody were to go to your YouTube channel where you put — I mean, I'm surprised that you actually put that information out. I guess, you know, you have a reason for doing it, but I'm surprised that you put that information out, because there's so much in it that's so valuable. Um, long story short, you have a YouTube channel where you — you do workouts, and if you watch those workouts, you're like — little things going off, beep, and you're moving from the next thing to the next thing and moving around so fast. I was like, "Wow, man. This is, like, intense." And I wonder if you're — if you're now wearing this band, what kind of heart rate ranges are you running when you're in those?

Um, you know what? I've never — I don't ever really — I haven't tracked an actual kettlebell workout. I've tracked my walking thing, because I'm — that's what I've — I'm actually thinking about tracking, but I will track one for you, because I think about it often. I — but I end up getting done, because you got to go in and hit the button first, which I didn't — I didn't know that, you — I'm like, can't you just track it and just tell me when? But I guess you have to kind of communicate a little bit. But, um, I will do and check it to see where it's at, but I haven't done it yet.

Yeah, I would imagine for you, your heart — you know, for us it's like hard to get out of zone one in traditional strength training. Uh, we got to really try to push it to do that. Um, and sometimes we'll get into zone two and zone three if we're really jamming. But I find that my zone three stuff, zone four stuff happens in those stair workouts that I do every weekend. Um, and that — that I — I mean, that be— has become something for me where it's like, I can't live without that. I look for — I literally look forward to that workout every — every week. I'm like, ah, one day closer, one day closer, you know, to being able to do that. I just get so jacked up on that. And it's outdoors, and it's just like this really great experience. And, um, you know, I think you live in a, a beautiful country with lots of opportunity to get out and do some forest bathing. And here we have the beaches and we have the forests and all those types of things. I think it's important for people to realize that you also want to get out and move in nature.

True.

It's — it's available even in, you know, even in San Francisco, Golden Gate Park. If you were just to walk down Golden Gate Park to the beach, go put your feet in the sand or in the, you know, on the water line. Um, and then — then walk back. Um, that's just an incredible walk and beautiful, and, uh, great opportunities there.

Movement, right? Anywhere. And if you can get outside, and if you're in a space where you're able to take off your shoes and go barefoot and just connect, it's a really good idea. Great experience.

Yeah. I — I always, whenever I go to the beach, I just wear flip-flops, take them off, get down there to that water line, get my feet in the, you know — I guess up to the knees in the water. Um, all right. Let's talk about the person who is sedentary and scared, because they are just often alone. You know, somebody that we're both huge fans of, Dr. Richard Louis Miller, one of a kind, that guy. Um, you know, he said to me, "Jock, we live in an epidemic of loneliness, isolation, and alienation." I think once you're in that, you're, you know, you're now — if you're sedentary, you're not exercising, you don't know how to get out of the — it's like, where do you go? How do you do it? And you've worked so hard actually to address that audience. I think it's really, you know — I know you've received a lot of awards and you've done a bunch of that stuff and all that, you know, and you always downplay it, but the reality is you've worked really hard to address that. I — I just want to congratulate you on really focusing in on that audience, because they're the people that probably need it the most.

Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, they are. Um, you know, in a different capacity, I put myself there when I went through some of my hardest seasons. I — I always call it the sitting in the closet moment, where I thought life was terrible and I felt alone and I felt lost. And when I finally picked myself up, figuratively, when I found my passion of kettlebells and helping people, I — I wanted to extend the fact that it takes time to be ready. You're not always going to be ready, like, day one. It's time. But I always wanted to give them the space that I will sit there. I'll sit there in that closet, a dark dream closet, until they're ready to stand up, and when they're ready, then we'll go. Because it — it's hard. It's hard to start, and it's hard.

Um, people often say to me, they're like, "People might feel intimidated by me because I'm in shape." I'm like, "Well" — I always split it and say, well, if you were investing your money, I probably — you probably wouldn't take it to someone who didn't know how to work with money. Same thing. Like, I — I — I show up, I post my — somebody said, "Do you really need to show your push-ups, your last 25, every day?" And I'm like, "Yeah, because I want to show that I am consistent to my word, and this is who you get when you put me on your team." I'm so there for whoever wants that connection when they're ready, right? And it is daunting.

I always tell people when they start and it's terrible, I'm like, great. Remember how terrible it is so you never come back to it. Like, that's the beauty of terrible. It's your start spot. And you can go, oh, I see — who I'm looking at the mirror, and I'm really crazy about that. And I'm like, great, then let's make a change.

That is really powerful. That's deep. To take a look at terrible and reframe it in a way of, hey, that's probably your best friend that you never want to see again, or just, you know, you remember what it was like and it's not — that's not a good relationship. I'm moving on from that, or whatever it is. Um, so when those people come to you, I know how you — you sort of work them in. You've just described it a moment ago, but you kind of worked them in slowly, which I think is so great, because oftentimes you see people do this in — it used to be a lot more common. I think it was sort of like, hey, you don't work out. "Yeah, I work out." Let me take you, and then they, you know, it's like, let me show you how you basically can't lift what I can lift. Training should be a supportive environment where you're really trying to help somebody. I think you've done that in a beautiful way, and helping people just sort of — and like Richard Louis Miller says, "Well, can you walk for five minutes?" "Yeah, I can walk for five minutes." "Great." You know, and he would say, "Uh, can — okay, next week, can you walk for six minutes?" "Yeah, I can walk for six minutes." And then little bit, little bit, little bit, next thing you know, they're walking for an entire hour a day and they're making huge changes, and it was just that sort of, like, little tiny increments.

Yeah, I love that. So I always say, because some of the, like, in my 12-week program, there — the workouts are 25, 30 minutes to start. When — my conversation always is, it's your start spot. I've built something that needed to be this time frame. It doesn't mean you c— you have to do that full video. Like, you just have to show up to what you can show up for. Because I find that people — we've — we've become — we've been such a culture of push hard, go, you know, go hard or go home. And I think when you finally do — and I guess maybe that comes back to the whole wearable thing, where I'm like, I'm wanting people to really start to connect with their body again. It is understanding that when you show up for your workouts, like when you just start, like, you know, Dr. Richard says, just do this piece. You did this great today. Great. Now, when you go in there next time, match it. Maybe you can go a little further. So it's — it's just the b— it's the baby steps.

Yeah, it is the baby steps. And, you know, that also leads to this sort of, like, hey, feeling of accomplishment. Um, and you know, he's a big, big person on, you know, like you said, terrible, and, you know, the past, and, you know, kind of letting go of that and and moving on with your life. And because I think a lot of people who, uh, maybe find themselves in that situation are sort of like filled with sort of self-loathing that they didn't take action on these things sooner, or they let it get to such a place where it was so bad. Uh, you have to go into an environment that is no judgment, and it's like, hey, here to help you, and, um, we'll do what we can. Which you've done, again, you know — wouldn't have you on this show if I didn't, you know, wholeheartedly believe in what you're doing. And I think that it's just a huge service to people, totally unique in the way that you approach it, and, and the world needs that.

Um, you know, there — lots of, you know, we have — we have lots of great, uh, health care providers who come on. I consider you a health care provider. Um, you fall into a category that is, you know, outside of take this medication, but you're prescribing a different kind of medication. Maybe one that, uh, Christie Fury said — uh, the podcast, I don't know how many episodes ago it was — it was like, hey, maybe depression isn't an issue of, of serotonin. Maybe it's an energy-related — mitochondrial energy-related issue. Energy of the brain. How many times are we going to talk about Dr. Richard Louis Miller in this — in this? But, you know, he's like — he's awesome. The same thing. He's like, you know, through, you know, exercise and breathing, you can pretty much address a lot of the issues. Um, which I think is phenomenal, considering how many SSRIs and general anxiety, uh, disorder medications that are prescribed on an annual basis to people probably all over the world.

So, Jodi, before we wrap up and go, is there anything that you want to say that, uh, to the audience that we have?

I think I'm — I always come back to the start factor. We are so hard on ourselves, and there is — we all started something the first time, and it's a big step. It's always the biggest step to reach out, connect, and just start. But it is — as hard as it — that is, it is as simple as just making a connection and saying — sending a hi. That's all you got to do with me. You send a hi at Jodi, and then we connect and we work from there. So, um, it — kettlebell changed — saved my life, and it's led me on this road where I — where I get to share with so many people. So, thank you, Jock, for having me on today.

Oh, it's so — such a pleasure to have you. I mean, grateful for our friendship and, um, you are a phenomenal person that is doing phenomenal work. And so, thank you and congratulations for all of the wonderful things that are happening for you, and, um, and for those people that wind up connecting with you — that with you. I — I am excited for them. I really truly am. And I'm excited for my core workout next week, because I have a feeling we're going to get crushed.

I can't wait. You're going to love it.

Yeah, it's going to be good. All right, everyone. Thanks for tuning in to Cell to Systems. This episode was a ton of fun. Uh, we missed Craig this week. He was, uh, dealing with a lot of patient stuff. So, we missed Craig today, but it was so great to be able to spend this time just the two of us, actually, in many ways, because we have such a long-standing relationship. It's so great to be able to do this with you. And so, all right, everybody. This was a great episode. So, thanks for tuning in to Cell to Systems. Thank you all very much. Please remember to like, share, and subscribe. We love your comments when you leave them. Uh, we — we read all of them, and, uh, we appreciate you. We'll see you on the next episode.